This has been an interesting week which started with the explosion that was #ImStaying bursting on to the scene.
In response to what was happening in the group and some feelings of uncomfortable that a growing number of people were having, i made this Facebook Live video sharing my thoughts. Then i wrote a piece called ‘The Rise and Flaw of #ImStaying’ which has been my most visited post of the year and which a number of people said helped them put into words what they were feeling about #ImStaying
Yesterday though, everything changed. In a number of ways.
#ImStaying But…
The founder of the #ImStaying group, Jarette Petzer, posted a video on the group saying in no uncertain terms that there will be no posts that mention race, politics or religion, but only positive vibes. The video came across as somewhat agitated or aggressive and was taken down a couple of hours later.
Let’s backpedal a few steps – yesterday morning i was involved in a number of what felt like really positive conversations in #ImStaying around race and apology and the work needing to be done. It felt like we were able to get below the surface work which most of #ImStaying feels like and actually talk about real issues and the need for white people in particular to own their space in the work needing to be done. So i was feeling the most hopeful i had felt in the group.
After Jarette’s video though, all of those posts disappeared. In fact, the only post i seem to still be on is the most irritating birthday post that someone posted asking people to wish them “Happy Birthday” and i keep getting notifications from it and with thousands of replies have been unable to find my original message to delete it.
The overwhelming message of that group, even more than before, feels like “Be positive and say positive things but don’t commit to doing any of the work or even acknowledging that any uncomfortable, awkward, painful and costly work needs to be done.” In a word, Kumbaya.
To which i respond, Kumba-ja….Nee!
The Start of Conversations
Later that day my friend, Tamsyn Elaine Allison, started a group called Conversations for a Better South Africa [now changed to ‘Conversations for a Just South Africa’ in which the hope was to gather people who felt positive and hopeful towards South Africa BUT also recognised and acknowledged that there was much work to be done, that it would likely be uncomfortable/tiring/awkward/costly and patience-requiring, but that we would commit to doing it anyway.
The hope of Conversations online that will inspire/add to/encourage/challenge the work that needs to happen offline.
Within a couple of hours, as the numbers of people asking to be added in to the group kept growing, i felt more encouraged and hopeful than i had felt after a week of #ImStaying posts.
As Tamsyn keeps reminding me, Conversations for a Just South Africa is not a group created to run in opposition to #ImStaying or any other group on Facebook gathering people to have conversations and share ideas and stories. It is its own thing, but at the same time we are open to and encouraging the kind of work #ImStaying has been overtly emphatic in declaring they will not tolerate in their space. So we have attracted a number of people who found #ImStaying problematic or uncomfortable for different reasons. And some who choose to be part of both.
We are 25 years into the so-called New South Africa and it is beyond obvious that we have so much work to be done. The promised rainbow never materialised, and to call for colourblindness as the solution is an insult to the destructive work that has been done for decades and centuries, where colour was in the centre of it. The law might have changed in 1994, or most of it, but in so many places and spaces and people, as well as structures and systems, the spirit of the law remains. Especially in Cape Town where i live and which is known as the most racist province in the country. i’m just not interested in being part of something that refuses to address that in the interests of feeling good and nice.
Dip your foot in
So if ‘Conversations for a Just South Africa’ feels like it might be something you are interested in, please come and take a look. It is a day old and so we are still trying to figure it out – we are working at bringing a diverse group of moderators together [official Facebook term although i love the idea of ‘Facilitators of mutual growth and learning’ that my friend Annie Kirke suggested] and figuring out some guidelines to keep conversation respectful, but we really are wanting to go to the hard places and acknowledge that white people bear the responsibility of doing the majority of the work, but in relationship with other black, coloured and indian people so that we end up doing the right work in ways that build and inspire and encourage and restore and empower.
i am hopeful for South Africa precisely because i do recognise colour and race and background and culture and am excited to see what kind of melting pot emerges when each of these things are able to be expressed together, rather than morphed into one ‘South African race’.
How about you?
Go to hout bay market Saturday mornings around 12. Awesome vibe, lots of different people. Really uplifting vibe.
Thanks Jude, have been there and is. Did you have a specific point beyond that?
Agree with you 100%! That group more and more seems to be about white people finding the platform to put black behavior under scrutiny under the disguise of ‘always wanting to know cause it’s so cute’ and trying to push ideals that make them feel comfortable. The whole notion of computer blindness and all being South African ensures that issues of race, privilege and disadvantage are never discussed- not to mention redress!
It’s okay for white people to show their bias and they will band against the one dissenting voice. It’s exhausting!
Thank you Ntshepeng and sorry for the exhaustingness of white people [i’m sure i have been that for so many!] but please come and join us over at Conversations for a Just South Africa where we are hoping to have a level of positivity that also includes a deep sense of knowing that the work we have to do is much and difficult and going to take a lot of collective effort!
*colour blindness not computer blindness💆🏽♀️. The group is exhausting- didn’t specifically say white people are exhausting- although they can be.
Searched for the group and couldn’t find it. Has the name not changed Brett?
Try here: https://www.facebook.com/groups/454622221807381/
This is what a PLAN looks like, we need ideas like this. This applies to USA but SA too should look into similar methods.
1) End the Federal Reserve, take possession, audit. Issue debt free currency, Repatriate gold reserve.
2) End IRS
3) Remove NWO agents in all Govt. agencies, FBI, CIA, NSA, etc.
4) Ban any dual citizenship holder from public office.
5) Stop running Heroin business in Afghanistan or elsewhere.
6) Re-investigate 9/11
7) End foreign aid except for humanitarian disaster.
8) Re-evaluate non-discretionary, as well as discretionary spending.
9) Remove the UN from the USA, return public land.
10) Stop using NGOs to destroy countries.
11) Ban GMOs, restructure patent office, no patent allowed on life.
12) Cease all aerosol geo-engineering and jet fuel modification for such.
13) Disclose, release, and implement Tesla technology for the public, and in schools.
14) Allow Ion drive technology for public use.
15) Begin major effort to solve Fukishima. Invest in radiation removal science.
16) Decriminalize cannabis, promote hemp industry and carbon reducing hemp construction.
17) Ban private prison industry.
18) De-militarize law enforcement, re-evaluate asset forfeiture laws, and audit.
19) Limit Police union or protection league from protecting bad cops.
20) Ban lobbying and revolving door practices.
21) Ban Fracking
22) Ban PACs
23) ID to vote
24) Remove electronic voting machines, keep process domestic, transparent.
25) Term limits in congress.
26) Ban insider trading by members of Congress.
27) Repeal Obama care
28) Exit TPP
29) Remove lawsuit protection on pharmaceuticals from vaccine injury.
30) Remove any laws requiring mandatory vaccination.
31) Remove laws shielding Banks, Brokers, and Insurance companies.
32) Remove the dept. of Homeland security, TSA
33) End NSA mass data gathering
34) Removal or deactivation on all imbedded software, backdoor, Trojan, software or hardware from public by entities responsible for them.
35) Stop erosion of Constitution and Amendments.
36) Respect our border.
37) Respect States rights.
38) Most text books will become electronic and cost will be reduced for students.
39) Public schools will be allowed to serve better food.
40) Education must not be controlled by the Federal Govt. or Teacher’s unions.
41) End animal testing for consumer goods.
42) Complete ban of Glyophosphates, Take apart Monsanto.
43) Encourage home gardens everywhere.
44) All large building should have solar panels or roof top gardens
45) All transport or internal combustion engines will receive, scalar emission reduction technology.
46) Ban Fluoridation
47) Promote use of Hydrogen Peroxide as a water purifier and remove chlorine.
48) Promote service to others.
Thank you for your insights. I’ve just joined the Conversations for a Just South Africa group. Many people, I realised, being on the #Imstaying group myself, are still in their infant shoes. Only able to digest milk. I am however at this moment still hopeful that some will start growing up through their involvement and exposure to that group and gradually growing up to engage in a more “solid” conversation, being able to start digesting the more difficult questions at hand. I believe that I can learn a lot from the Conversations for a Just SA group to make my own contribution one of more substance. ☺
Thanks Cobi and glad to have you there… we are all at different stages in our journey and all had to rely on someone ahead to help us catch up somewhat…
One thing you may find helpful is to check out this summary post and then work through the blog posts in groups of five and see if there are any helpful ideas:
https://brettfish.co.za/2018/09/28/40-tips-summary/
As someone wanting to learn the South Africa tab on my blog has a whole lot of good and helpful reading resources:
https://brettfish.co.za/south-africa/
Particularly start with the stuff on privilege and work from there but also feel free to ask questions in Conversations and hopefully people will be gracious to take some time to help you out… all the best.
Brett Fish
Hello all,
What are your thoughts on Cannabis and allowing everyone (not just big pharma) to grow it? If everyone grew cannabis and did cannabis breeding, we could come up with some great strains. SA is perfect for growing cannabis. South Africa could make millions in exporting of cannabis. I know its not for everyone, but cannabis has been proven to help many.
Melissa
hi Melissa, thanks for stopping by, but this really isn’t the right place for that question which is largely unrelated to the post…
At the moment it is still illegal though beyond medicinal use i believe!
Cannabis is legal to grow and smoke at home. Thats about it. I am not sure the limits but I think its 5 plants per person. Could you do a topic on this? Look up Rick Simmons oil. He uses the THC and CBD to heal people. Would love to hear what you think about Cannabis. I used to live in a commune near Swellendam, and we grew a patch of Cannabis. One of the ladies made oils out of it and we managed to cure some skin conditions and a guy who had asthma. So it definitely seems to help. South Africa could export and make billions out of it.
Vanessa
Thank you, but it’s not really something i am super interested in writing about [and there are so many other things that i am] so probably won’t happen here… but thanks for stopping by and commenting. Will be interesting to see how things go with that in years to come!