i got this email from a friend of mine and because it covers a bunch of relevant issues with regards to christians dating i asked her if she minded if i shared it and answered – or tried to – some of them publically – i will include just the email here and the reply in the following linked blog…
Hi Brett,
How are you doing?
Just warning you in advance, this is quite a long email – (sorry) just kept typing, couldn’t stop.
I’ve been reading a number of your blogs. They’re quite interesting. So I thought I might start commenting and sharing my thoughts on them. Its the best way for me to get something from them and to learn from them.
So the latest one I’ve read is on dating entitled ” I kissed dating , part one ??”
Let me first give a bit of background on where I am coming from as I read this.
I am now 23 and have been a christian for all these years. I am happy and love my God (with all my heart!)
One of my main issues that I have with dating in the church is that instead of discussing at why people shouldn’t date non-christians, maybe we should look at why they do? What is it about dating in the church that is driving people to look elsewhere for partners?
Here’s my take on it. I think that people in the church, especially boys, want to date the perfect girl. and so they are looking for this one perfect person. There is no freedom to date someone, without the intention to marry them because then why on earth are you doing it? I read the book ‘ boy meets girl ‘, which is very similar to I kissed dating goodbye. – very radical views on dating. (I won’t comment on that now)
I have never been asked out or have had any boy at church show interest, although I have been told how amazing I am and how lucky any guy would be to date me, just not them. I’m not what they are looking for. Ok fair enough, I can’t force someone to like me. But if Jesus is my number one and that is the main and most important thing, clearly there must be some other factor to me being excluded. .
Then you look at the girls who are dating. Just have a look around in churches and think about it. I’ve actually heard a sermon being preached on dating, where the pastor said that we should make ourselves attractive for the opposite sex. At one point he basically said ” so you girls who are slightly overweight, don’t be too upset if you’re not dating” . HUH?? Did I miss something? I’m a healthy size, but should I be moving towards size 0?
Maybe its because of my race. Its true. Maybe I am being excluded because I’m just the black girl, and instead of taking the time to get to know me and thinking of the fact that we actually have a lot more in common than differences, I am again sidelined.
Basically it feels like the message I am getting from my christian brothers is that I’m not good enough. I’m not perfect. Yes God is my number one, and yes I am smart and doing something with my life (not just waiting around for mr right!). But its just not enough. Please don’t think that I am seeking validation and placing my self worth in what I do or don’t receive from these boys. I’m passed that, and I know better than to do that. But in the context of dating, it sends out quite a message.
So now what happens is I meet a really nice guy, who sees me as and values and appreciates me, but sadly he’s not a christian, so I politely decline him because I’m waiting for “the one”.
But then I think of all my christian friends who are 35 and single, because they have been praying and waiting. And they love their God and they are beautiful women. But because they don’t fit the “perfect Christian girl criteria” – which whether you choose to believe it or not does exist, they have never been married, and for some of them, never dated!
So Brett, I acknowledge your sentiments when you say that God is the most important person in any relationship. But there are a growing number of people, girls especially who are growing tired of facing rejection from people who should see past all the superficial things that you would expect from secular people. But we are seeing the reverse We are finding more acceptance from society and not from christians.
And that’s the problem. And that’s why girls are dating outside the church. Because we are tired of being reminded that we aren’t worth it!
Your comments ???
P.S – I am still single. I haven’t dated anyone, although I turned down a few offers (all from non-christians). I’m praying for my husband. I want a family and children so much, and I know that those are desires that God has placed on my heart, but wow this is hard !
hey there brett, whoever the girl is that messaged you… very cool response and thoughts from her. as a guy… I would agree with her. even though at the moment the church i work for and part of.. the general congregation is like 65 +
and then my teenage youth…
so no girls in my church anyway… and other churches… with decent girls… well they’re very few and face between in englandland (as you say) 🙂
to that girl. I can’t apologize on behalf of those guys… but here is a cool saying a “girl” friend of mine once told me: “boys are stupid throw rocks at them” haha
Feels like I can relate to this. I think there is always the problem of ratio’s though. There are more christian girls than guys. Epecially in cape town:) but I would rather be single than married to the wrong person. So I’m content to wait, and trust.
lol, I haven’t read Brett’s reply yet but after feeling much like our anonymous email writer lady here, I assumed the attitude that boys are stupid and stinky this year and you won’t believe how they have come flocking… *giggles..
The ‘game of love’ really is crazy!!
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I resonate with this, except I’m 31. It is hard to not constantly wonder what I am doing wrong or differently than the other girls. But I would rather be single than marry the wrong person. I also get tired of how married people treat me, like my singleness is something broken that needs to be fixed.
Thanks Lisa – i was 35 before i got married and i know it’s a little different when you are a guy [age has less significance for obvious reasons] but still understand a lot of that sense of despair or panic that it may never happen – has been an incredible season in the last two years or so seeing a bunch of my older women friends [as in mid to late thirties] getting married although i do still have some friends who are strongly desiring it and not seeing it as yet – read the stories here if you have time as they have been a huge encouragement to a lot of people with regards to singleness: http://brettfish.wordpress.com/2012/09/04/taboo-topics-singleness-intro – but thank you for sharing and just be encouraged to seek contentment in your present situation WHILE STILL HOPING and dreaming and praying for what you would like to see…
Brett,
The biggest problem with her email is this: it’s not her fault that men are not attracted to her, its the men, even the Christian ones! How dare they not be interested! Those superficial sons of guns!
Guys are not morally obligated to be attracted to someone just because the other person thinks that they should be and is now angry.
If I don’t find a girl attractive, I don’t do anything that would signal otherwise. I’m polite and friendly, but I don’t send indicators of interest if it isn’t genuine.
Also, superficiality is too easy of a crutch: there’s always more to the story if that line is used.
The fact that she is dating outside of the faith is not my fault and I refuse, as a Christian man, to be included in the blame for something that is not my fault. I am not responsible for the independent choices that another person makes and I certainly will not be blamed for any baggage that is acquired because of what I may or may not have done.
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