Is it possible to argue with someone without attacking them as a person?
This morning’s case in point [on the Twitterer] followed the traditional rules:
Person one responded to the president’s announcement that prisoners would receive the vaccine before regular citizens with shock.
Person two responded by humanising prisoners and introducing some context about their living conditions and need for the vaccine.
Person one responded with a generalisation of ‘stealing and murdering’ prisoners vs the citizens who contribute to the economy.
Person two came back with a link to a document that spoke to prisoner’s rights.
And then it happened: Person one dropped a sarcastic “Sorry, did I miss the law background in your bio?”
Argument over, right? Cos the likelihood of it coming back from there is small…
Although, surprisingly, in this particular case, after a little bit of engagement, person one did engage through all my pushback and we were able to return to the issue and leave the pettiness to one side. [More often than not these moments end quite quickly with an insulting meme or middle finger though so this feels like a win when it happens.]
My side is right and your side deserves to die!
One of the easiest places to spot this is in the Republican vs Democrat space in America. Although to be fair, the ANC vs DA vs EFF space in South Africa can also be quite volatile.
But we saw it a lot in the recent election in the US where there is absolute vilification of every person on the opposing party, to the point where we see family members farewell their family members for voting for the opposing party. Turns out ballot is thicker than blood.
We see it on social media all the time from movies to tv shows to music to religion to pretty much every conceivable topic, none more close to my heart than Pineapple on Pizza. [Which i absolutely play up as a joke, by the way – i will fight for your right to eat pineapple on pizza while subtweeting away as if i really cared about that even a little!]
Which left me wondering this morning whether it is possible for people to be on opposing sides of a belief or argument or decision and still not wish the absolute worst of life circumstances on the other person.
i decided to wonder out loud and came up with this tweet:
Do you think Social Media is responsible for the majority of people not being able to disagree with someone without insulting them/belittling them/questioning their intelligence etc or were we always like this.
Is it possible to think differently to someone and not be a jerk?
— brett "Fish" anderson (@BrettFishA) January 12, 2021
Before you jump to some of the responses, take a few seconds to reflect and answer that question for yourself… and also maybe take a moment to glance into the mirror and think about how you do and are when it comes to thinking differently to someone else about something and how it affects or not how you think about or treat that person…
What followed, though, was one of the most amazing engagements i have seen on the Twitterer, and the rest of this post is going to be sharing some of the highlights. Because when social media works well, it works really really well. And this is evidence of that.
Let’s start with this response i had to Brad which gives a bit of my understanding and perspective on this particular angle:
Why would you NOT tell a racist/nazi/Covid denier to get f off? (As an eg)
— Brad Hendricks (@bradhendricks) January 12, 2021
Secondly, above all else, one of my primary concerns is that i don't want to end up looking like – or worse, becoming – someone or something that i am strongly against. So the moment my words/actions resemble those who i am against i have lost, maybe a piece of my soul…
— brett "Fish" anderson (@BrettFishA) January 12, 2021
i may very well end up at that place you suggest [at the very least, in my mind and sometimes out loud although hopefully not that harshly] but i never want to start there. Benefit of the doubt mixed with hope and possibility.
— brett "Fish" anderson (@BrettFishA) January 12, 2021
What did you all have to say?
As mentioned, i was highly encouraged and inspired and challenged by so many different responses to my question. Follow the thread on the Twitterer as i could not get them all here, but some of the ones that jumped out the most to me were these:
Dog Behind a Fence Complex. Everyone is brave behind a keyboard, little to do with social media but a lot to do with personality & a false sense of security. IMHO
— Thabang Mo (@_ThabangMo) January 12, 2021
I guess it's bit like road rage — lack of proximity apparently gives us the freedom to say and do things we would never otherwise do. I have seen people blink on those crazy occasions I got out of my car to ask a driver why they were being so obnoxious (as if I was never rude).
— Lynn Layman (@lynnlayman) January 12, 2021
I think it’s always something we’ve struggled with. But social media has super charged it to napalm levels. Not discussing face to face, or even voice to voice, no tone, amplification, no nuance, polarization, echo chambers, mobs, etc make it almost impossible.
— Barry Childs (@BarryChilds) January 12, 2021
I actually enjoy having an active debate and trying to understand where someone else gets their point of view. And we can learn from each other but unfortunately in here it just ends up in lynch mobbing and bullying.
— I karen't even💙 (@kambabe) January 12, 2021
I think social media is to blame because some people go to social media with this telephone tough guy attitude thinking they funny when in actual fact they just bullies and they can't get caught 😒😒😒
— ♥️♥️L E O L A D Y♥️♥️🇿🇦 (@tshidi443) January 12, 2021
No, I think discomfort, fear and hurt is the reason people react with insults.
Yes, it is possible. It takes a bit of self-awareness.— Bianca van Wyk (@BiancavanWyk16) January 12, 2021
I think Black & White thinking is an old trait – binary approaches of YOU'RE WRONG & authoritarian I KNOW BEST have been hard-wired into us. Adding variance, putting ourselves in the other person's shoes & opening our minds is definitely something we (I!) should practice more.
— SJ Boden (@essjaybeedee) January 12, 2021
Then there was this two-parter from Erno:
4. The rate at which info gets disseminated happened faster than our ability to learn skills in consuming info critically
5. Politics fire off the same parts of the brain as religion. It's tribal. Opposing info causes a backfire effect. Tribalism requires us to 'fight'.
6. Etc— Erno, The Wayward Son (@JizoVox) January 12, 2021
Honestly, I think the lockdown (on top of other influences like Trump) made people feel like just cause I can't see your face my vitriolic msunery doesn't count.
It emboldened many an arsehole.
Then stress and anxiety needed an outlet, who better than strangers.
— Dame Mbali Zibi 👑 (@MabaleeZeebee) January 12, 2021
Having encountered the right wing in droves at RAU in the 70s, I think the threats, intimidation and insults pre-date social media. Although social media definitely facilitates crass rudeness and has empowered a lot of people who wouldn't dare behave this way face to face.
— Jenn Forster🇿🇦 🇿🇲 🏳️🌈#BLM (@JennMForster) January 12, 2021
That would require everyone NOT to be riddled with their own anxieties and stressors.
That is biggest thing. We're all going through it. The problem is we are also tired because the high road is exhausting.
I nearly lost my marbles when people were attacking my friends. 😭😭
— Dame Mbali Zibi 👑 (@MabaleeZeebee) January 12, 2021
I find that if people can’t attack the argument the ad hominem phenomenon kicks in and they degenerate into tantrums. They particularly go for age (as if I need to be ashamed of it), sex (grow up!!) or the fact I’m wearing a mask
— Debbie Higgs (@debbiehiggs02) January 12, 2021
People feel invisible behind the key board; somehow they think their daily lives're different from their virtual activities; They think online they can do whatever they want without facing much consequence hence they become the prick they always wanted to be
— VeeMk🌍 (@Vee_Mk) January 12, 2021
It happens becoz people buy the highlights of arguments and when questioned there’s no indepth understanding to fall back on? So the ad hominem is certainly to deflect from that?
— Gary Koekemoer (@Gary22k) January 12, 2021
Very possible to disagree with kindness. It becomes difficult when there is attachment to what the disagreement is about to the point of someone identifying themselves by what the disagreement is about. Feeling attacked vs seeing/thinking critically.
— Nojood the Artist (@noonjeemwawdal) January 12, 2021
Yes it is possible but social media is not the problem. Broken human nature is the problem. SM is just a tool
— Sean O'Connor (@sean_soco) January 12, 2021
Of course, Rumi would have such a much more elegant way of saying it than me. But i think – depending on the situation, and the arguer – i might stick with my less than subtle: i upped my argument, up yours! Just [mostly] kidding!
i thought i would end off with this exchange i had with Hans – who i only know from social media spaces as we have never met [yet!] in real life:
It is possible to be civilised in differences of opinion. Most social media users became numb to real-world civility. A small percentage never had civility to begin with. Over time toxic interactions became 2nd nature with many…
— Hans Rehder (@Themadgerman1) January 12, 2021
Thanks Hans, i feel like you are someone i had had differences of opinion with, quite strong ones and yet we have managed [i think] to keep things quite civil while both pushing back. Which is such a gift!
— brett "Fish" anderson (@BrettFishA) January 12, 2021
Yes we did. Diametrically opposed views. My estimation of you did not diminish. It's refreshing to throw ideas around without hostile reactions…
— Hans Rehder (@Themadgerman1) January 12, 2021
For me, it's also if we can avoid the part where we trash each other, so valuable to engage with people who think differently cos at worst we think more deeply about the things we believe and believe them more strongly and at best we learn some different things or perspectives.
— brett "Fish" anderson (@BrettFishA) January 12, 2021
Exactly that. Nobody thinks like you yourself do, and by hearing different views you may understand why others don't share your view. It either results in a change of mind or making better arguments for your view.
— Hans Rehder (@Themadgerman1) January 12, 2021
i appreciate it when people stick with me – even when i have gotten it wrong and maybe resorted to sarcasm or given in to irritation – and continue to engage, offering me the opportunity to learn or view something from a different perspective.
i don’t get it right all the time, but on my good days i respond with kindness and respect, even when i am strongly against the argument or statement or thinking that is being presented.
Imagine a world where everyone was able to disagree in the strongest possible way, with a strong argument and facts, stories or numbers to back it up, but with kindness and compassion and a sense of being able to see the humanity [some like myself would say ‘the image of God’ – imago dei] in the other person. A world where we didn’t rush to sarcasm or name-calling, insult, misdirection or a gif. One where we leaned in and committed to listening and being open to changing our opinions on things or coming to the conclusion that there might be an answer somewhere in between the black and white we like things to live in.
In fact this article dealing with binary mindsets is a super helpful read in the context of online arguing and engaging.
What if each of us simply commits to being a little bit kinder online? A little more authentic. A bit more loving. More vulnerable.
Two years ago, one of my sisters-in-law gave me a poster she had made for me which hangs in my man cave and which reads: Don’t be a dick! When she gave it to me i saw it as a message to a lot of the people i engage with online as one piece of advice that would really help people be better to each other. But as i am typing this now, i secretly wonder if it wasn’t just a directive she was aiming at me. It definitely applies to me more often than i would like it to and reading it regularly reminds me of the posture i need to adopt when i head online and when someone starts disagreeing with me or even saying/writing unpleasant out-of-line things.
Huge thanks to everyone who engaged in this conversation today and let’s continue to make the online spaces as we would love the offline spaces to be. Let’s continue to build and create and challenge and invite and co-create and dream and imagine and let’s hold firmly to Love, Compassion, Justice, Kindness, Dontbeadickness!
I am happy to have featured in this conversation Brett 🙂 I know I said it on Twitter but anything worth saying can be repeated right?
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